Sunday, May 04, 2014

Roni Loren ~ The Logistics of Ménage ~ BDSM Week at Sinfully Sexy

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Next up for BDSM week, please join me in welcoming Roni Loren, author of the Loving On The Edge series, to Sinfully Sexy.  Roni writes delicious BDSM romance with a strong emphasis on ménage.  To me, writing ménage always seems to pose a very unique set of problems to the author so we asked Roni to talk a little about the logistics of ménage writing for us.

We’ll take an overview the Loving On The Edge Series and, of course, there’s a giveaway at the end!

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Him and Her and Who? The Logistics of Writing a Ménage Romance

By Roni Loren

People often ask me if it’s hard to write a certain thing—love scenes, guy point of view, male/male, etc. And my answer is almost always yes regardless of what topic they’re asking about because, honestly, all writing is hard at some point. Sometimes it flows and angels sing. Sometimes I’m beating my head on the keyboard and shaking my fist at my screen. It’s part of the process.

But at the same time, each area definitely has its unique challenges. And one of the things that comes up in a few books of mine is the ménage relationship. And in this case, I don’t mean a ménage scene. I have those in a number of my books as well, but today I’m focusing on the ménage romance—where three people attempt a triad relationship not just a one off fantasy night.

Most recently I’ve finished writing a follow-up novella to MELT INTO YOU (the first ménage romance book in my series). And once again, when I was writing this novella (FOREVER STARTS TONIGHT), I was reminded of the unique issues that pop up in this kind of story. And even more cropped up this time because this novella is an “after the happily ever after” story, so gets into the more serious relationship logistics after everyone has decided—let’s do this!

So I thought I’d highlight a few of those today.

1. The Pronouns – This comes up whether it’s a one time threesome scene or a full out ménage romance. If there are two men and a girl*, that gives you a lot of he’s/him’s to figure out. And when everyone is in bed at once, which one of the guys is the he? It can be more than a little confusing. So if you read a ménage scene and you notice that the author is using the guys’ first names way more than normal, that’s why. It’s to make sure you know which he is which. It’s already hard enough trying to figure out whose hand is where, lol.

2. Are the Boys Into Each Other Too? – If you read a lot of erotic romance, you know there are two main types of ménage stories. M/F/M where the two guys are completely straight and are just focused on the woman. Then M/M/F stories where the two heroes are attracted to each other as well as the heroine. (And sometimes what starts out as a M/F/M in the heroes’ minds turns into something more when they realize they might have feelings for their buddy, too. So they don’t have to start out having those feelings.)

Readers and writers have their preferences. And I enjoy reading both. But when I write ménage (that ends in a committed triad relationship), I tend to write m/m/f. If it’s just a one-off scene in a book that will have a primary couple at the end, I usually write m/f/m. Why? It’s a personal preference. But for me, I think if three people are going into a relationship for the long haul, it’s really hard for me to suspend disbelief that two 100% straight guys are going to share one girl long-term. I’m not saying it can’t or doesn’t happen. But it makes more sense to me that guys who were bi (or at least bi-curious) would be more open to that kind of relationship because then the relationship is more evenly balanced between all three people. But either option can be done well. For instance, Shayla Black writes great m/f/m ménage stories.

3. The Second Hero Should Not Be “Penis #2 Exit Stage Left” – This is a problem I’ve run across in some ménage romances I’ve read. The second guy is not a fully developed character; he’s just there to make it a ménage. That falls flat. I even had my second hero, Andre, in MELT INTO YOU make a tongue-in-cheek comment when he tells the other hero that he’s developed feelings for the heroine.

Anger, hot and fierce, welled up in Jace. “Then why did you go and fucking fall for her too? If you knew I felt that way about her?”

Andre laughed without humor. “Oh, right. ’Cause I’m not allowed to feel anything. I’m just dick number two, enter stage left? What the fuck, man?”

So I try to make sure that even if I have a primary hero (like Jace is in MELT), that the other hero is fully developed as well. The heroine has to fall for each of them for individual reasons. AND if it’s m/m/f, I also have to develop the relationship and the falling for each other between the guys as well. (See? Gets complicated, lol.)

4. The Practical Aspects of Real Life – Yes, I know what I write is fantasy based for the most part. But I like to ground my stories in the real world. And in the real world, triad relationships are going to stick out and have some logistical issues. I had to face this with writing FOREVER STARTS TONIGHT because it was what happens after the characters fall in love—the real life stuff. And in the case of my story, how will these three people navigate this alternative relationship in a place as conservative as Texas? How will their families handle it? How are time/money/responsibilities divided? When it comes to their sex life, do they all three have to be there every time or can they couple up as well? How is the issue of kids going to be tackled? Or marriage? You can’t legally marry more than one person and there are a lot of legal benefits to being married—so what to do? What do they call each other—husband/wife/girlfriend/partner? I didn’t have to think about all that in the first book because that was the journey to falling in love. But what happens after can get mighty complicated.

5. Why Are They Together? – Lastly, I want to make sure there is a compelling reason for these particular people to ALL be together long term. It can’t just be because, Whee! Two hot guys forever! (Though, yanno, that is a nice bonus for the heroine, lol.) But I need to show why these people are going to go that far outside of the box and attempt what is sure to be a complicated arrangement. Why can they not imagine being happy any other way than being with these two people?

Hopefully, if those things are tackled, I’ll end up with a ménage romance that readers will get excited about. It’s challenging but so much fun because hey, Two hot guys, whee! ;) Clearly, I haven’t been too traumatized by writing these types of stories because besides the novella in September, my next full-length book, NOTHING BETWEEN US (Jan. 2015), is also going to be a ménage romance. Maybe I’m a glutton for pronoun punishment. ;-)

*This post focused on ménage with two men and one woman. I know there are stories with triad relationships involving two women and one man as well. But since I don’t write those, I didn’t tackle that.

What’s your favorite ménage romance? Do you have a preference on whether ménage books are m/f/m or m/m/f? Ever get confused which “he” is where when reading?


Loving On The Edge Series

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In her post, Roni refers often to Melt Into You, book 2 of the Loving on the Edge series which features a menage romance between Evan, Jace and Andre so here’s a quick look.

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Title: Melt Into You (Loving On The Edge, #2)

Author: Roni Loren

Genre: BDSM Romance

Release Date: July 3 2012

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Synopsis

Her first love has returned, and he's brought a friend...

After running away from home and the boy who broke her heart, Evan Kennedy has kick-started the perfect new life with her celebrity fiancé. So what if said fiancé prefers guys? She knew the deal when they got engaged. And with her ticket to The Ranch, an exclusive resort where any fantasy can be satisfied, she can find someone to fulfill her less-than-traditional desires on the side.
She just never expected that man to be Jace Austin, her old heart-breaker—all grown up, hard-bodied, and holding out a collar. She knows it’s a world-class bad idea—especially since Jace has brought along his buddy Andre, who’s every bit as irresistible. But if they can stick to the no-strings rules, so can she.
Too bad Jace has never been so good with rules. Evan is convinced “forever” is a word used only in greeting cards, but Jace and Andre have one last fantasy of hers left to fulfill. It’s time to go big or go home. And neither man has ever been a fan of going home.

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About Roni:

 Roni wrote her first romance novel at age fifteen when she discovered writing about boys was way easier than actually talking to them. Since then, her flirting skills haven’t improved, but she likes to think her storytelling ability has. She is the New York Times and USA Today Bestselling Author of The Loving on the Edge series.

Website: www.roniloren.com

Twitter: www.twitter.com/roniloren

Facebook: www.facebook.com/roniloren


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17 comments:

  1. Hmm, I haven't read any books by Roni Loren yet, but my favorite ménage so far has been Their Virgin Concubine

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  2. My favorite menage is More than Everything by Cadeno C

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  3. Hhhmmm I think More by Sloan Parker or Three's Company by NR Walker

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  4. Way too many, but I will always remember 'Travis' by Nicole Edwards

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  5. I love Tara Lain's DECEPTIVE ATTRACTION and GENETIC CELEBRITY. All the characters are very sympathetic (a lot of the time in m/m/f I end up annoyed by the woman, and Tara's are always exceptionally cool gals to root for), and you can tell that they're all ragingly attracted to each other and care for one another deeply.

    --Trix

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  6. my favorite is travis by nicole edwards

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  7. I liked Cherise Sinclair's shifter menage series, Sean Michael's Marines and Eve Langlais fun ones. But honestly, I haven't really read many so I haven't established a favorite. I do tend to prefer the menage that leads to relationships. I did find that I liked the m/m/f better and never realized that it's probably because I believed it more. Nice discussion and thanks for the giveaway opportunity.

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  8. Their virgin secretary
    I havent read anything from Roni but looking fotward to it

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  9. The Virgin series are really great. I have bought Melt into You and can't wait to read it!

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  10. I have read alot of menage books, but a top fave is Shayla Black's Wicked Lovers series.

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  11. Any of Lora Leigh's Bound Hearts Series

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  12. Travis by Nicole Edwards

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  13. I like the Club Destiny books by Nicole Edwards!

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  14. I can not say I have a favorite at the moment. I do so love M/M/F. I think most hetero males will find it uncomfortable sharing someone in all aspects of life. So why not go big and share the love? I do love Lora Leigh, Maya Banks, The Virgin Series, Jayne Rylon Powertools.

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  15. I'd have to say Their One and Only by Trista Ann Michaels. Thank you for the chance!!

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  16. Thats an impossible question to answer, lol. Their are so many great ones that I could never pick one. I love Cherise Sinclaire's, Nicole Edwards, Joey W Hill and Lora Leigh. I haven't read Roni's books but I am definitely intrigued.

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